I wonder what the limit players think of this thread? Here you are, mostly discussing poker and then you throw in something like this and the gamers are all over it. I've done watching my babies grow up, and very pleasant it was to, but I've got a real problem with goals now. I'm working for? the distant prospect of getting out of Germany for a highly uncertain future in Britain? no wonder I find it hard to get up. Best I can come up with is the prospect of the girls finishing Uni and moving on to life, but pleasant as the prospect is, it's not exactly something to motivate yourself with. You've got me thinking now, probably not a good thing. I can't even try to persuade myself that the alcohol line would be a good one, you've completely disproved that. John W