Some Limit hands
Jun. 28th, 2006 08:02 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
peterbirksHere’s a couple of hands that I think that I misplayed, partly because I had only been sitting down for half an hour and I was still getting to grips with the table.
Both are 10-20 euro full ring games on Virgin.
Hand 1:
I am in MP1 with Kd Td.
UTG, a loose player who isn’t very good and who tends to overrate his hand (particulalry overpairs) limps. UTG+1 passes.
Of the other dramatis personae:
MP2 is tricky. I’ve seen him at lower levels call raises cold with 96s, raise with 75s, flat call a big pair, reraise with big pairs, cold-call raises with big pairs.
MP3 is also a quality player, but is less tricky. He raises limpers liberally, but his position here probably means that any raise wil be genuine, partly because...
CO is a loose player who will cold call a raise as soon as call a single bet. Weak, chaser, loser, but a pain in the arse when in late position to your raise, because he could be cold-calling you with anything.
Button, small blind and big blind are tight players.
Do I limp, raise, or fold?
Hand 2:
I pick up Ks Kh in UTG+1. UTG folds and I raise. I am flat-called by MP1 (see description of tricky MP2 above) and three-bet by MP2 (see description of good but less unpredictable MP3 above)
Flop comes Td 9d 4s.
I check, MP1 bets and MP2 raises. I call. MP1 calls.
Turn is 4h.
I check.
Comments appreciated, even the normal “raise at every opportunity” type.
Both are 10-20 euro full ring games on Virgin.
Hand 1:
I am in MP1 with Kd Td.
UTG, a loose player who isn’t very good and who tends to overrate his hand (particulalry overpairs) limps. UTG+1 passes.
Of the other dramatis personae:
MP2 is tricky. I’ve seen him at lower levels call raises cold with 96s, raise with 75s, flat call a big pair, reraise with big pairs, cold-call raises with big pairs.
MP3 is also a quality player, but is less tricky. He raises limpers liberally, but his position here probably means that any raise wil be genuine, partly because...
CO is a loose player who will cold call a raise as soon as call a single bet. Weak, chaser, loser, but a pain in the arse when in late position to your raise, because he could be cold-calling you with anything.
Button, small blind and big blind are tight players.
Do I limp, raise, or fold?
Hand 2:
I pick up Ks Kh in UTG+1. UTG folds and I raise. I am flat-called by MP1 (see description of tricky MP2 above) and three-bet by MP2 (see description of good but less unpredictable MP3 above)
Flop comes Td 9d 4s.
I check, MP1 bets and MP2 raises. I call. MP1 calls.
Turn is 4h.
I check.
Comments appreciated, even the normal “raise at every opportunity” type.
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Date: 2006-06-28 07:50 pm (UTC)Since I cannot know what the opponents had, we have to assume here. If middle pin calls the two bets, (and three-better calls), we are going for a high variance hand with me OOP. But the increase in EV from the four-bet pre-flop (if middle player calls) outweighs this, to my mind. Similarly, if middle player folds to the two extra bets, I've got it heads up, which is probably a more preferable situation, given my renowned weakness in multi-wayers....
But, given my mistake in not four-betting, i think the check is reasonable on that flop. My plan is for the last player to bet and for me to check-raise, this making middle-player pay to chase. Unfortunately middle player spikes this by betting out. End-player two bets it and I call.
This was mistake number two. I should three-bet here. The end-player's raise is (with hindsight) an attempt to drive me out (of whom he is scared) and to isolate middle player (who he suspects of being on some kind of draw).
The three-bet could well drive middle player out. No matter one way or the other, given the turn card. Once I've three-bet on the flop, I can bet out the turn. Even if End player has Aces, he is going to start worrying about TT at this point.
The key to the hand here is the range of the end-player, I think.
I agree spot on with the rest of your analysis. That's how it should have panned out.
OK. So far we know that I've already managed to misplay this hand twice, and we are only at the beginning of the turn. Impressive, huh?
PJ