A couple of PLO amuse-bouches
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peterbirksA couple of PLO hands for Big Dave D and others to get their teeth into. I'll be honest, in one of these I had no idea whether or not I played it right (although the result was pleasant), while in the other you see the way in which PLO can be utterly infuriating.
Flexi Digit is at seat 0 with $35.15.
jdaltongang is at seat 1 with $52.45.
Jaywong is at seat 2 with $59.15.
deal-me-in-2 is at seat 3 with $48.50.
cougario is at seat 4 with $88.95.
sportney is at seat 5 with $47.25.
spjp19 is at seat 6 with $190.95.
CrackerWithaK is at seat 7 with $10.55.
bruttone is at seat 8 with $49.10.
Birks is at seat 9 with $48.45.
The button is at seat 7.
bruttone posts the small blind of $.25.
Birks posts the big blind of $.50.
Birks: Ac 4d Ad Qc
Pre-flop:
Flexi Digit folds. jdaltongang folds. Jaywong folds. deal-me-in-2 calls. cougario calls.
sportney folds. spjp19 calls. CrackerWithaK calls. bruttone calls. Birks raises to $2
deal-me-in-2 calls. cougario calls. spjp19 calls. CrackerWithaK calls. bruttone folds.
Why the sub-pot raise from me? Partly to add variety, and partly because these Americans only seem to raise with Aces. I have a nice hand, but I don't want to shout "I have Aces" from the rooftops.
Flop Qh 7s 4s
Remember our road map? Well, Already I'm starting to get lost, and I promptly take a turning down a dark road with no idea where I am going to end up. I decide to bet the pot. In itself, I don't think this is so bad. I don't mind taking down the pot there and then, but if I get reraised? You may not have noticed, but I have two-pair as well as the Aces. In hindsight, I'm not sure that the pot bet is correct, even at this level of game.
Birks bets $10.50. deal-me-in-2 calls. cougario folds. spjp19 folds. CrackerWithaK folds.
Ahh. I hadn't even allowed for the flat call. The dark road is getting darker. Is this a Big Dave D-style trap, waiting for me to bet again on the turn? Or is my opponent on a drawing hand? The latter would seem more likely.
Turn Qh 7s 4s 8c
This is a problem if my opponent has 65. I don't see that I can do anything now but check and fold to a pot bet.
Birks checks. deal-me-in-2 bets $5.50.
Ahh, but this is different! I'd put my life on this being a small bet with a drawing hand (well, not my life, but at least my stack in this penny ante game ...), hoping that I might throw my hand away, but getting pot odds if I call. There is one flaw in this line of thought. I might raise. If he has a drawing hand, I reckon I am favourite.
Birks goes all-in for $35.95. deal-me-in-2 calls.
River Qh 7s 4s 8c 7d
Showdown:
Birks shows Ac 4d Ad Qc
Birks has Ac Ad Qh 7s 7d: two pair, aces and sevens.
deal-me-in-2 has Jd 9c Qd Tc
Birks wins $100.40 with two pair, aces and sevens.
My opponent really fucked this up, more than compensating for my own poor play (if it was poor, like I say, I really don't know). If he takes his free card on the turn, and then bets the pot no matter what turns up, it's very hard for me to call. But that baby bet is a signature of a weak steal with a draw.
Subsequent to that, he should fold my reraise. He has 13 outs, making him a 32.5% shot. OK, the fold is marginal and not many people will make it.
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This next hand makes you wonder at the vagaries of mathematics. I was in the small game ($25 max buy in), because there was no $50 buy in in progress. I had won one hand with aces to get my stack up to more than anyone else at the table.
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navajo2 is at seat 0 with $33.30.
Birks is at seat 1 with $36.85.
wistuart is at seat 2 with $23.40.
JJack is at seat 3 with $9.25.
topflight is at seat 4 with $15.60.
bobbymunro is at seat 5 with $4.05.
Feltonzap is at seat 6 with $9.75.
wilkstroke is at seat 7 with $32.05.
jcdougl is at seat 8 with $25.
spw777 is at seat 9 with $24.55.
The button is at seat 2.
JJack posts the small blind of $.10.
topflight posts the big blind of $.25.
Birks: 5h 5s Ac 6c
Pre-flop:
bobbymunro folds. Feltonzap calls. wilkstroke folds. jcdougl calls. spw777 calls. navajo2 folds. Dolchstoss calls. wistuart folds. JJack calls. topflight raises to $1.75. Feltonzap calls. jcdougl calls. spw777 calls. Birks calls. JJack calls.
I realy was slightly marginal about this call. But with a large number of opponents and being in late position, I reckoned my hand just about sneaked in.
Flop 2c 3c 5d
Gawd. How good can it get? I have a set and a nut flush draw. But I could be behind to a straight. What should I do? Can I afford to slightly slow-play it? There's already $10 in the pot. I decide that, since my road map has once again got mysteriously soggy, bluntness is the best plan. These players don't seem to be good enough to check-raise with something like, say 4678. If it's checked round to me, I am betting, and if a pot bet comes in first, I am calling.
JJack checks. topflight checks. Feltonzap checks. jcdougl checks. spw777 checks. Birks bets $10.50. JJack goes all-in for $7.50. topflight folds. Feltonzap folds. jcdougl folds. spw777
folds. Birks is returned $3 (uncalled).
Turn 2c 3c 5d 4s gives me the top end of the straight, but now I lose to 67.
River 2c 3c 5d 4s Jd.. no change
Showdown:
Birks shows 5h 5s Ac 6c.
Birks has 5h 6c 2c 3c 4s: straight, six high.
JJack shows 6s 8d 5c 8c.
JJack has 6s 5c 2c 3c 4s: straight, six high.
Split pot.
Opponent has a pot equity of 13.5% on the flop with 67 hands drawing for him and 77 winning. 676 bring it home for good old Pete. Is there any other way for me to play this hand? I don't think so. And there could always have been an 8 on the turn or river.
Funny old game.
Flexi Digit is at seat 0 with $35.15.
jdaltongang is at seat 1 with $52.45.
Jaywong is at seat 2 with $59.15.
deal-me-in-2 is at seat 3 with $48.50.
cougario is at seat 4 with $88.95.
sportney is at seat 5 with $47.25.
spjp19 is at seat 6 with $190.95.
CrackerWithaK is at seat 7 with $10.55.
bruttone is at seat 8 with $49.10.
Birks is at seat 9 with $48.45.
The button is at seat 7.
bruttone posts the small blind of $.25.
Birks posts the big blind of $.50.
Birks: Ac 4d Ad Qc
Pre-flop:
Flexi Digit folds. jdaltongang folds. Jaywong folds. deal-me-in-2 calls. cougario calls.
sportney folds. spjp19 calls. CrackerWithaK calls. bruttone calls. Birks raises to $2
deal-me-in-2 calls. cougario calls. spjp19 calls. CrackerWithaK calls. bruttone folds.
Why the sub-pot raise from me? Partly to add variety, and partly because these Americans only seem to raise with Aces. I have a nice hand, but I don't want to shout "I have Aces" from the rooftops.
Flop Qh 7s 4s
Remember our road map? Well, Already I'm starting to get lost, and I promptly take a turning down a dark road with no idea where I am going to end up. I decide to bet the pot. In itself, I don't think this is so bad. I don't mind taking down the pot there and then, but if I get reraised? You may not have noticed, but I have two-pair as well as the Aces. In hindsight, I'm not sure that the pot bet is correct, even at this level of game.
Birks bets $10.50. deal-me-in-2 calls. cougario folds. spjp19 folds. CrackerWithaK folds.
Ahh. I hadn't even allowed for the flat call. The dark road is getting darker. Is this a Big Dave D-style trap, waiting for me to bet again on the turn? Or is my opponent on a drawing hand? The latter would seem more likely.
Turn Qh 7s 4s 8c
This is a problem if my opponent has 65. I don't see that I can do anything now but check and fold to a pot bet.
Birks checks. deal-me-in-2 bets $5.50.
Ahh, but this is different! I'd put my life on this being a small bet with a drawing hand (well, not my life, but at least my stack in this penny ante game ...), hoping that I might throw my hand away, but getting pot odds if I call. There is one flaw in this line of thought. I might raise. If he has a drawing hand, I reckon I am favourite.
Birks goes all-in for $35.95. deal-me-in-2 calls.
River Qh 7s 4s 8c 7d
Showdown:
Birks shows Ac 4d Ad Qc
Birks has Ac Ad Qh 7s 7d: two pair, aces and sevens.
deal-me-in-2 has Jd 9c Qd Tc
Birks wins $100.40 with two pair, aces and sevens.
My opponent really fucked this up, more than compensating for my own poor play (if it was poor, like I say, I really don't know). If he takes his free card on the turn, and then bets the pot no matter what turns up, it's very hard for me to call. But that baby bet is a signature of a weak steal with a draw.
Subsequent to that, he should fold my reraise. He has 13 outs, making him a 32.5% shot. OK, the fold is marginal and not many people will make it.
----------------------------------------------------------------
This next hand makes you wonder at the vagaries of mathematics. I was in the small game ($25 max buy in), because there was no $50 buy in in progress. I had won one hand with aces to get my stack up to more than anyone else at the table.
----------------------------------------------------------------
navajo2 is at seat 0 with $33.30.
Birks is at seat 1 with $36.85.
wistuart is at seat 2 with $23.40.
JJack is at seat 3 with $9.25.
topflight is at seat 4 with $15.60.
bobbymunro is at seat 5 with $4.05.
Feltonzap is at seat 6 with $9.75.
wilkstroke is at seat 7 with $32.05.
jcdougl is at seat 8 with $25.
spw777 is at seat 9 with $24.55.
The button is at seat 2.
JJack posts the small blind of $.10.
topflight posts the big blind of $.25.
Birks: 5h 5s Ac 6c
Pre-flop:
bobbymunro folds. Feltonzap calls. wilkstroke folds. jcdougl calls. spw777 calls. navajo2 folds. Dolchstoss calls. wistuart folds. JJack calls. topflight raises to $1.75. Feltonzap calls. jcdougl calls. spw777 calls. Birks calls. JJack calls.
I realy was slightly marginal about this call. But with a large number of opponents and being in late position, I reckoned my hand just about sneaked in.
Flop 2c 3c 5d
Gawd. How good can it get? I have a set and a nut flush draw. But I could be behind to a straight. What should I do? Can I afford to slightly slow-play it? There's already $10 in the pot. I decide that, since my road map has once again got mysteriously soggy, bluntness is the best plan. These players don't seem to be good enough to check-raise with something like, say 4678. If it's checked round to me, I am betting, and if a pot bet comes in first, I am calling.
JJack checks. topflight checks. Feltonzap checks. jcdougl checks. spw777 checks. Birks bets $10.50. JJack goes all-in for $7.50. topflight folds. Feltonzap folds. jcdougl folds. spw777
folds. Birks is returned $3 (uncalled).
Turn 2c 3c 5d 4s gives me the top end of the straight, but now I lose to 67.
River 2c 3c 5d 4s Jd.. no change
Showdown:
Birks shows 5h 5s Ac 6c.
Birks has 5h 6c 2c 3c 4s: straight, six high.
JJack shows 6s 8d 5c 8c.
JJack has 6s 5c 2c 3c 4s: straight, six high.
Split pot.
Opponent has a pot equity of 13.5% on the flop with 67 hands drawing for him and 77 winning. 676 bring it home for good old Pete. Is there any other way for me to play this hand? I don't think so. And there could always have been an 8 on the turn or river.
Funny old game.
no subject
Date: 2005-04-20 07:33 pm (UTC)Interestingly, the reason I like PLO is the reason you dont. The decisions matter. I find limit he too much like card counting.
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The second hand
Date: 2005-04-22 07:14 am (UTC)But I bet the pot. What else could I do? And if you say that I should raise a pot bet before me, could this not be a case of me jamming a hand with less than 50% pot equity? I thought you had previously sais that this was a losing play.
Pete
Re: The second hand
Date: 2005-04-23 08:32 am (UTC)gl
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