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Bad Blood (http://badbloodonpoker.blogspot.com/) reports that another of the underground Carolina games that he occasionally attends got busted this week. The police, mindful of their responsibilities to society, offered the players the choice of a fine and leaving their money behind with the cops, or facing a trial and a possible year in jail. Clearly the Kazakhstan School of Police Training is working well in at least parts of the US.

A poster questioned that perhaps the cops are reading the blogs to find out where the games are. Bad Blood defied anyone to work out where a game was merely from it being called “The Gaelic Game”, Another wag posted: “would that be the game in Gaelic House on Gaelic Street?”

Thin pickings in most other places. The Youngster has been to Magaluf for a week, celebrating his stonking start to the month, while Pauly has been drinking his liver to death in Key West with Al Can’t Hang. Quality post from Pauly about a couple of less than salubrious strip clubs. Things are obviously different in the US, because I don’t imagine any girlfriend of mine being happy to read of my exploits in a strip club. Change, howerver, simply goes along to the strip club with Pauly, when she’s around. Quality. A very entertaining read on the lower echelons of the male entertainment industry. I particularly liked the club that cut songs off at two minutes and ten seconds, so that the strippers could get in more lap dances.

http://taopoker.blogspot.com/

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For fans of car crashes and what Jesse May calls “really broke”, head to BlueScouse (where else) at http://88percent.blogspot.com/. I haven’t even bothered to read the comments on Ed’s posts, because I know what they will all say.


If that isn’t enough for you, and if you want to make your $1.36 profit for the month (sorry, my $1.36 profit for the month) look more comforting, head over to the tales of Lucky Jim (luckyjimm.blogspot.com). Why oh why do these people play at levels utterly unsuited to their bankroll? OK, perhaps I do too (but I play at too low a level, which is at least sustainable, if incomprehensible to some other players) but when I see people putting their whole bankroll into a game where they have something like 30 big blinds, I just shake my head in disbelief. I have to remember this when I am making bets at the table. Although a bet to me of $24 into a $24 pot is mathematically the same as a bet of $3 into a $3 pot (I need more than a 33% chance to be winning for it to be right for me to call) for opponents, $24 is $24, eight times $3. For them. the actual cash value might be of significance, and it could cloud their mathematical judgement (they might say to themselves: “I think I’m right to call here, but I can’t afford to call and be wrong”).

I read an insteresting tale recently about a No Limit hand in a $100 buy-in game in Vegas. The interesting thing about it was that the player who recounted it was the perpetrator of the play, and he seemed rather proud of it.

Here, briefly, is how it works.

You hit the nut flush on the river. Opponent bets $20 into you, which you are fairly sure is some kind of value bet attempting to get a showdown cheaply – maybe two-pair. You now go into Academy Award mode and start thinking out loud about opponent’s hand, as if you have a hand that you might call with (say, TPTK). Eventually you ‘talk’ yourself into calling, and pick up a stack of 20 chips and put them into the pot, without saying anything. But the stack of chips consists of reds, not blues. You have put $100 in. Dealer (or opponent) says that this constitutes a raise.

You now go into Academy Award mode 2, and pretend that you just wanted to call. Dealer tells you what the rules are. You demand the pit boss. He tells you what the rules are. Your raise must stand.

Opponent now either puts in the $80, or perhaps more, if you are both sitting on more than the initial $100 buy-in – this is the MGM rinky-dink game — and you win money that you might not otherwise have won if you had put in a ‘straightforward’ raise of $80. Opponent storms off, calling you a four-letter word beginning with ‘C’, while dealer and all your other opponents merely think it.

My first question is, what kind of player would make this play?
Answer: A very young and inexperienced one with good technical skill and absolutely no concept of metagame. (BTW, the “accidental raise” play is about as old as me, I suspect. There isn’t much under the sun that is new.)
My second question is, what kind of player would then actually boast about the play on his blog?
Answer to that, have I none.



Given my proclivity for bemoaning bad results and criticizing myself, I’m going to break the habit of a lunchtime and tell you that I think that I played my ‘A’ game yesterday and this morning and, contrary to all laws of nature, I also ran well. Not flukingly well, but well in the sense that my continuation bets were working how I wanted, and that I picked up a couple of near coin-tosses for small change. I made no awful calls where I knew that I was beaten, and no-one sucked out on me. In poker, if you like to think that you are a winning player, that’s just about as good as you should hope for. Indeed, in general, you don’t want suck-outs, because you don’t want to find yourself in a position where you need them.

Here’s one hand from this morning. In fact it played itself, but it shows how when things are going your way, the right decision is easier.


FullTiltPoker Game - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em
2007/09/29

Seat 1: gwwakeboarder ($54.40)
Seat 2: Hero ($91)
Seat 3: Duke Brute ($107.05)
Seat 4: star2be ($47.15)
Seat 5: TrashTalk68 ($19)
Seat 6: Pair Eggs ($125.40)
Seat 7: VILLAIN($100)
Seat 8: MrCoconut ($93.50)
Seat 9: carly11 ($55.30)
Pair Eggs posts the small blind of $0.50
VILLAINposts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #5

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [K♠ K♡]
MrCoconut folds
carly11 folds
gwwakeboarder calls $1
Hero raises to $5

this is my default raise after a single limper. I have a wide range for this raise if I am on the button, because I tend to pick up the pot uncontested more than 75% of the time. Provided I can at least break-even on the hand if I am called, I’m making my money from the 50% return on my pre-flop investment when everyone folds. In fact, with poisition, I’m also marginally in front post-flop even when called by original limper. I’m not so successful if one of the blinds comes in.

Duke Brute folds
star2be folds
TrashTalk68 folds
Pair Eggs folds
VILLAINcalls $4
gwwakeboarder folds

*** FLOP *** [4♡ 3♣ 2♡]
VILLAINchecks
TrashTalk68 adds $1
Hero bets $10

I’m putting in a lot more pot-sized bets these days and considerably fewer half-pot sized bets. Once again, this tends to mean that I take down considerably more pots uncontested on the flop. If I am called with a hand that’s missed, I tend to shut down and give up. Second barrels with a hand that’s missed are not profitable at this level.

VILLAINraises to $29
Hero calls $19

It’s not a mini-reraise. I think the guy would quite like to take it down here and now and he hopes that I have two high cards. Maybe Ax of hearts. Maybe a pair of fives? If he has A-5, I’m fucked here, but I think he would have flat-called or mini-reraised with A-5 (or even led out small). No, I really think this is some kind of hand with value (that beats AK) but with a draw as back-up.

In the past I’ve shoved in these situations, but that’s not worked well. I think I’m in front. I don’t know that I’m in front. I’m calling any bet from opponent on the Turn, unless the turn brings an Ace. So, in my head, opponent has three outs.


*** TURN *** [4♡ 3♣ 2♡] [K◊]

Well, when you are running well, decisions become easier. But I was calling this guy anyway, as I said before.

VILLAINbets $66, and is all in
Hero calls $57, and is all in
VILLAINshows [4◊ 5◊]
Hero shows [K♠ K♡]

*** RIVER *** [4♡ 3♣ 2♡ K◊] [J♠]

VILLAINshows a pair of Fours
Hero shows three of a kind, Kings
Hero wins the pot ($180.50) with three of a kind, Kings

*** SUMMARY ***

Total pot $183.50 | Rake $3
Board: [4♡ 3♣ 2♡ K◊ J♠]
Seat 2: Hero showed [K♠ K♡] and won ($180.50) with three of a kind, Kings
Seat 7: VILLAIN(big blind) showed [4◊ 5◊] and lost with a pair of Fours


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Here’s a sequence of three hands against the same player. He was laggy and the table’s sole serious weak link. About 60%/30%. My position relevant to him wasn’t good, and the player on my immediate left is a regular, is very tough, and is probably one of the last players that I want sitting behind me.

However, I felt that this laggy player’s money (he had been running good and looked to be edging towards winner’s tilt to me) was there for the taking. I don’t “target” players; I want to play each hand according to the situation. But I did think that, if I was going to win any big pots, (or lose any!) it was likely to be to this guy. He was high SD as well as potentially high EV.

Here’s the first hand where I took a view and it came off.


GAME #670373692: Texas Hold'em NL $0.50/$1.00
23h:17m
Table Chlorine
Seat 1: ihatepantz ($139.00 in chips) DEALER
Seat 3: Laggy Fish ($157.50 in chips)
Seat 4: 16chris ($17.00 in chips)
Seat 5: PahaPuhveli ($94.50 in chips)
Seat 6: EDEPERIN ($99.00 in chips)
Seat 7: kreok ($18.00 in chips)
Seat 8: lelapin2 ($99.80 in chips)
Seat 9: Traumverwalter ($23.10 in chips)
Seat 10: Hero ($91.50 in chips)
Laggy Fish: Post SB $0.50
16chris: Post BB $1.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [K♠ K♡]
PahaPuhveli: Raise $4.00
EDEPERIN: Fold
kreok: Fold
lelapin2: Fold
Traumverwalter: Fold
Hero: Raise $11.00
ihatepantz: Fold
Laggy Fish: Call $10.50

This call is virtually meaningless. OK, maybe his top 30% of hands. But he had been defending bothi of his blinds vigorously. I suspect that he felt that he was unbeatable at this point.

16chris: Fold
PahaPuhveli: Call $7.00
*** FLOP *** [4♣ A♠ J♣]
Laggy Fish: Bet $6.00

Now, this guy had been playing his blinds in a constant way. He defended to a raise and led out the flop, often taking it down But six bucks into a $20 pot? I don’t see him doing that with an Ace. I think he’s on a feeler mission. I’m raising. But, how much?

PahaPuhveli: Fold
Hero: Raise $16.00

This leaves me $64 bucks or so behind. I’d like to say that I calculated that amount when I put in the raise, but I didn’t. Actually, the raise was meant to be the minimum amount that I thought would convince opponent that I had a hand, rather than I didn’t believe that he had an Ace

Laggy Fish: Call $10.00

Hmm, OK, I think we have to assume that opponent has at least something. But I still don’t think it’s an Ace.

*** TURN *** [9◊]

I kind of like this card. It doesn’t seem likely to have helped opponent. A ten or a five would have been less welcome.

Laggy Fish: Check
Hero: Bet $22.00

Although there’s $65 or so in the pot, the key here is how much is left in my stack. I’ve bet a third of what I have left. This should look to any opponent who can count as if I am preparing to put the other $42 in on the river. I’m getting a lot of leverage for my $22 here. However, if opponent check-raises me all in, I’d be 95% sure that I was looking for a two-outer to win. But I really don’t think he’s going to do that.


Laggy Fish: Fold

Nope. I read that one right

*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $85.00 Rake $3.00
Hero: wins $85.00


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A little while later, our lag had suffered a few setbacks. He no longer felt invincible. Indeed, the seeds of self-doubt were beginning to set in.

Although this is a standard hand, it illustrates that opponent is cracking. Previously he would have led out on this flop.

GAME #670384972: Texas Hold'em NL $0.50/$1.00

23h:27m:02

Table Chlorine
Seat 1: ihatepantz ($135.03 in chips) DEALER
Seat 2: szt69 ($19.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Laggy Fish ($91.32 in chips)
Seat 4: 16chris ($15.50 in chips)
Seat 5: PahaPuhveli ($134.00 in chips)
Seat 6: EDEPERIN ($97.50 in chips)
Seat 7: kreok ($16.50 in chips)
Seat 8: lelapin2 ($94.80 in chips)
Seat 9: Traumverwalter ($21.60 in chips)
Seat 10: Hero ($126.00 in chips)
szt69: Post SB $0.50
Laggy Fish: Post BB $1.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [K♣ A♠]
16chris: Fold
PahaPuhveli: Fold
EDEPERIN: Fold
kreok: Fold
lelapin2: Fold
Traumverwalter: Fold
Hero: Raise $4.00
ihatepantz: Fold
szt69: Fold
Laggy Fish: Call $3.00
*** FLOP *** [T◊ 3◊ 4♠]
Laggy Fish: Check
Hero: Bet $6.00
Laggy Fish: Fold
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $14.10 Rake $0.40
Hero: wins $14.10


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And so, we came to the coup de gras. Eight minutes later and after he has lost a couple more pots, opponent is now not only off his winner’s tilt, he’s heading into ‘fuck it, let’s gamble” territory.


GAME #670393782: Texas Hold'em NL $0.50/$1.00 2007-09-28 23:34:46
Table Chlorine
Seat 1: ihatepantz ($135.53 in chips)
Seat 2: szt69 ($31.80 in chips)
Seat 3: Laggy Fish ($59.62 in chips)
Seat 4: 16chris ($42.30 in chips)
Seat 5: PahaPuhveli ($132.50 in chips)
Seat 6: EDEPERIN ($96.00 in chips)
Seat 7: kreok ($19.50 in chips)
Seat 8: lelapin2 ($92.30 in chips)
Seat 9: Traumverwalter ($20.10 in chips)
Seat 10: Hero ($125.60 in chips) DEALER
ihatepantz: Post SB $0.50
szt69: Post BB $1.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Laggy Fish [4♡ 6♡]
Dealt to Hero [Q♠ K◊]
Laggy Fish: Call $1.00
16chris: Fold
PahaPuhveli: Fold
EDEPERIN: Fold
kreok: Fold
lelapin2: Fold
Traumverwalter: Fold
Hero: Raise $5.00

People say that KQ is a bad no limit hand. My pokertracker figures disagree with this assertion. It’s a bad hand to defend to a legitimate, non-stealing, raise. But in most other situations, it has excellent potential.

ihatepantz: Fold
szt69: Fold
Laggy Fish: Call $4.00
*** FLOP *** [K♠ 2♡ J♡]
Laggy Fish: Bet $4.00

40% of the pot and his stack is getting low. I think that this is some kind of draw.

Hero: Raise $10.00
Laggy Fish: Call $6.00
*** TURN *** [C8]
Laggy Fish: Bet $10.00

Once again, why bet ten bucks into a $28 pot? I think he wants to get to the river cheaply. It’s not often I’m prepared to put my opponent all-in for a reasonable amount on the turn with only top pair and a mediocre kicker, but I really think that he’s drawing, and I really think that he will pay.

Hero: Raise $44.00
Laggy Fish: Call $34.00
*** RIVER *** [7♠]
Laggy Fish: Allin $0.62

whoops, I miscalculated my raise by 62 cents.

Hero: Call $0.62
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $117.74 Rake $3.00
Hero: wins $117.74

Date: 2007-09-29 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] badblood44.livejournal.com
Yeah, the bust has taken the wind out of the sails of the local games for sure. I'm quite confident that some rooms will open back up in the face of whatever real or perceived risk will remain. However, I won't be playing at those locations. I spend a year and a half on that "circuit," was a moderate winner and am happy to leave it at that.

So it will be back to home games for me. I think I can average playing live once a week as there are several players like myself averse to the risk of getting robbed or busted.

It's all well and good for me anyway because apparently I've decided to really suck this year.

Nixon resurrecti

Date: 2007-09-29 11:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] real-aardvark.livejournal.com
(Apologies for not doing that in Greek.)

There is a worrying trend -- and it seems to be quite recent -- for US cops to be furtling around and bitch-slapping the punters with on-the-spot fines. It may, or may not, be connected to Sept 11th and the exquisite invention of "Homeland Security."

What, you mean I'm in American Samoa and I don't qualify for "Homeland Security?" Christ. Time to drag the coke spoon out of my Congressman's nostril.

But seriously ... there are way, way too many police out there in all the American states I know of. They get bored. They have nothing to do. Obviously they're going to (a) hit on attractive blondes -- my experience, and it led to a decent grope (of the blonde, not the policeman, stupid) -- or (b) hit on the nearest Den of Iniquity.

This would presumably be "underground poker."

Although, if you do this sort of thing in a soggy place like the Carolinas, don't you get a bit wet?

Anyway, my main, and honestly quite serious, point was that governments in the advanced Western countries appear to be throwing money at things that do not matter and should not concern them (gambling, drugs, anal sex with milk bottles) and not throwing money at things that should.

I leave you all to imagine what "things that should" might mean.

My money is on November 13th, by the way.

de profundis adversus profundum

Date: 2007-09-30 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] real-aardvark.livejournal.com
Many thanks for the link to Pauly @ http://taopoker.blogspot.com/, btw. Hugely entertaining, and usually intentionally so.

In passing, I don't believe it's possible to drink your liver to death if you can't cope with seven beers on an empty stomach. These things are often genetic, though, and Your Liver May Vary.

The whole thing is an exceptionally funny description of a specifically American lifestyle, wherein you lose your (financial) wad whilst having a really, really, bad time with people you think are your friends -- not a soul of whom has the faintest scintilla of taste -- and re-living the stag night you never had because not even a girl from Nebraska would put up with the humiliation of agreeing to marry you. And all you really want is a couple of slices of a decent pizza. But for some unaccountable reason you are in Key West and not in Brooklyn, after all.

The strange thing is, every American male I have ever known has gone through this experience. Repeatedly. And even after being warned by their pastor that it is Not Good For The Soul.

Two peoples, divided by a common strip-club.

Anyway, what sort of low-rent "college" did Pauly go to? A fraternity without a lap-dancer's pole is an offence against nature. Even if the only kids to use the pole are the other frat-boys ...

I think I'll just go and enjoy my very English Sunday lamb roast, dry rubbed with Spanish smoked paprika, dodgy French garlic slices, Cayenne pepper, and Hungarian caraway seeds. Life doesn't get any better than that.

But sometimes, dreaming of wrinkled whores in Key West and a lamentable absence of pizza ... well ... sometimes, perhaps it just might.

Date: 2007-09-30 08:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] real-aardvark.livejournal.com
(The lamb, btw, was scrumptious.)

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