PLO is a strain
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peterbirksOne of the things that I don't like about PLO is that 15 hands of the game feels like 60 of limit hold 'em. The number of decisions that you have to make is much greater. Partly this is lack of experience, I know. But I do think that there are more options in pot limit games than there are in limit games, for the simple reason that there is an added variable - the size of your bet. This brings into play another variable - the size of your stack (and of your opponents' stacks). Of course, once the decision is made, then some things in PLO (and pot limit games) are easier. No worries about value bets on river, or whether a check or a bet is correct on the turn (with the right decision often being marginal in limit).
On the plus side, the quality of play occasionally seems so low that I wonder whether I shouldn't just sit down at low-stakes PLO on Ultimate (or Party) and grind out my winnings there. THe only thing mitigating against this is that multi-tabling for three hours is possible at limit, whereas single-tabling for half an hour at PLO starts to give my brain a strain.
Another hand with a happy ending:
JosephStorm is at seat 0 with $50.80.
PJuan is at seat 1 with $43.45.
bonesley is at seat 2 with $16.65.
kumagala is at seat 3 with $100.15.
Milonga is at seat 4 with $11.55.
Birks is at seat 5 with $49.50.
DrAJ is at seat 6 with $59.30.
JamesScott is at seat 7 with $35.05.
Laki is at seat 8 with $25.
Flexi Digit is at seat 9 with $34.85.
The button is at seat 7.
Birks: Ac 4c 5s 8h
Pre-flop:
PJuan calls. bonesley calls. kumagala folds.
Milonga calls. Birks calls. DrAJ calls.
JamesScott folds. Flexi Digit calls. JosephStorm
checks.
Flop (board: 6h Kc 3c :
This is a nice board. An American wrap to a potential nut (the 8 is a nice feature of my hand now) and a nut flush draw. Not sure of my pot equity off the top of my head while in the hand, but I reckon it's good against most hands and liveable with against top set.
Flexi Digit checks. JosephStorm checks. PJuan
checks. bonesley bets $.50. Milonga raises to $5.
Birks re-raises to $19. DrAJ folds. Flexi
Digit folds. JosephStorm folds. PJuan folds.
bonesley folds. Milonga goes all-in for $11.05.
Birks is returned $7.95 (uncalled).
Turn (board: 6h Kc 3c As):
River (board: 6h Kc 3c As 2c): Woo hoo!
Birks has Ac 4c Kc 3c 2c: flush, ace high.
Milonga shows 6s 5h 5c 6c.
Milonga has 5c 6c Kc 3c 2c: flush, king high.
Birks wins $24.80 with flush, ace high.
As it happens, I'm behind on the flop with just 40% pot equity. But when you take the stacks into account, I am putting in $11 raise to win $24.80, which gives me pot odds that are just about right. But it's an example of me overbetting the drawing hand. By way of mitigation, I wouldn't have done it if my opponent had more at the table than me!
On the plus side, the quality of play occasionally seems so low that I wonder whether I shouldn't just sit down at low-stakes PLO on Ultimate (or Party) and grind out my winnings there. THe only thing mitigating against this is that multi-tabling for three hours is possible at limit, whereas single-tabling for half an hour at PLO starts to give my brain a strain.
Another hand with a happy ending:
JosephStorm is at seat 0 with $50.80.
PJuan is at seat 1 with $43.45.
bonesley is at seat 2 with $16.65.
kumagala is at seat 3 with $100.15.
Milonga is at seat 4 with $11.55.
Birks is at seat 5 with $49.50.
DrAJ is at seat 6 with $59.30.
JamesScott is at seat 7 with $35.05.
Laki is at seat 8 with $25.
Flexi Digit is at seat 9 with $34.85.
The button is at seat 7.
Birks: Ac 4c 5s 8h
Pre-flop:
PJuan calls. bonesley calls. kumagala folds.
Milonga calls. Birks calls. DrAJ calls.
JamesScott folds. Flexi Digit calls. JosephStorm
checks.
Flop (board: 6h Kc 3c :
This is a nice board. An American wrap to a potential nut (the 8 is a nice feature of my hand now) and a nut flush draw. Not sure of my pot equity off the top of my head while in the hand, but I reckon it's good against most hands and liveable with against top set.
Flexi Digit checks. JosephStorm checks. PJuan
checks. bonesley bets $.50. Milonga raises to $5.
Birks re-raises to $19. DrAJ folds. Flexi
Digit folds. JosephStorm folds. PJuan folds.
bonesley folds. Milonga goes all-in for $11.05.
Birks is returned $7.95 (uncalled).
Turn (board: 6h Kc 3c As):
River (board: 6h Kc 3c As 2c): Woo hoo!
Birks has Ac 4c Kc 3c 2c: flush, ace high.
Milonga shows 6s 5h 5c 6c.
Milonga has 5c 6c Kc 3c 2c: flush, king high.
Birks wins $24.80 with flush, ace high.
As it happens, I'm behind on the flop with just 40% pot equity. But when you take the stacks into account, I am putting in $11 raise to win $24.80, which gives me pot odds that are just about right. But it's an example of me overbetting the drawing hand. By way of mitigation, I wouldn't have done it if my opponent had more at the table than me!
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Hard to calculate odds intuitively
Date: 2005-04-11 12:38 pm (UTC)that hand reminds me of a discussion on Omaha I had with Iain Adams the other day, where Iain said he'd pile in against a set with that sort of hand. I was less sure of the strength, but we were both surprised to get an EV of .4 or less against a set.
The up side of this is that some players out there on Party ALWAYS go all-in against top set with that sort of hand (or worse).
Re: Hard to calculate odds intuitively
Date: 2005-04-11 12:59 pm (UTC)What makes the set good against the massive draw (let's make it, say a nut-flush draw and a 16-card straight wrap) is that the set is 40% to hit the full house. So, even if the drawing hand is 100% to hit (which of course, it never is), the set is still only 6-to-4 against.
Pete